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I'm dudumomo from l'AF, [AF>Linux] Dudumomo
I have just seen that your team is getting bigger and bigger ! You're starting to be a big team in boinc's community :-D

You have also a nice RAC, especially on Docking, http://docking.cis.udel.edu/community/t ... avg_credit, the biggest in fact 8)

I hope you are also using your GPU now. (In l'AF, it is a boom ! :roll: , especially on milkyway !!)
ATI in milkyway are very profitable ! (But only the 38xx and 48xx)
Nvidia is quite nice on GPUGrid. On Seti...is not really easy....

So, Have fun !! And Good CRUNCH !!! :yay:


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Welcome to the forums dudumomo! We always like having visitors pop in and say "Hi"!

I'll be back on Docking in a couple of days to push the RAC even higher! (Although I doubt I'll ever catch lunarcom!)

We've got a bunch of people utilizing their GPUs, but unfortunately GPU stuff is still a little buggy to be fully mainstream for a lot of the crunchers. I know my pathetic little ATI Radeon HD 3650 has had lots of issues with GPU attempts in the past. Currently I'm giving it a spin on Folding as their client is a little more stable with GPUs at the moment - I'm still getting driver crashes running it, but at least it's better than what I've had with BOINC!

Thanks for the heads up on Milkyway - I've checked out Milkyway's ATI compatibility and it looks like I'd need a 3800+ series to run so it'll have to wait until my next upgrade. All other projects look like their Nvidia focused, so I'm out of the running there. Hopefully some others will take the lead and put their GPUs to good use.

Take it easy and hope to see you posting more often...

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Thank you for your warm message !!

In deed, you need a 38xx or 48xx to run on milkyway.
The 4830 seems to be the best choice actually (Price/points)
It is quite easy to use the application in fact (Exept with Bi GPU)
No one get a 4870 ?? :-D You can do around 90 000pts /day and more if you OC :twisted:

And I got also a HD3650... But I'm not running on Folding. Only Boinc. And I guess my HD3650 which is in my laptop, will burn :roll:
So I am only CPU crunching ^^ (With my T9400 2.53Ghz, not bad, between 1000 and 3200pts /day in function of project and 64b or not)

Well, I will try to post more often ! :-D


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With Folding you can always decrease CPU usage to keep the card cooler, however the HD3850 is pretty slow so I wouldn't recommend throttling the CPU on it as it won't complete tasks in time. You can always give it a shot and see what happens - just use GPU-Z to monitor the card temps so you don't burn out!

I've currently got my GPU throttled to ~75% in Folding as it's unstable at higher levels (mine's a "silent" GPU with no fan - just one big heat sink) and I'm fairly certain my current task won't finish in time. I'm still in the tweaking stage with Folding so I've got a few more things to try to get it stable at higher CPU levels, hopefully it'll work out.

Next time I'll buy a card with crunching in mind!

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Hey there dudumomo!

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I have just seen that your team is getting bigger and bigger ! You're starting to be a big team in boinc's community Very Happy

I was just saying something about that the other day in fact. We are very proud of the way we have turned this team around and made it a real force in the BOINCiverse. True, the team has been around for a long time but it wasn't a combined effort until not too long ago.

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Please send our best wishes to L'Alliance Francophone! We have had some of your members visit before and I have personally directed Newbie Crunchers who needed French Language FAQ's and Support to your team. The many BOINC services (UOTD records etc.) are a real help to the whole BOINC community.

Hope to see you on the forums!
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Bonjour et bienvenue!

Toute cette histoire de GPU semble bien intéressante, je ne m'y connais pas vraiment, mais je vais aller lire là-dessus sans hésitation.

À bientôt sur nos foras j'espère!

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Pawly wrote:
Please send our best wishes to L'Alliance Francophone! We have had some of your members visit before and I have personally directed Newbie Crunchers who needed French Language FAQ's and Support to your team. The many BOINC services (UOTD records etc.) are a real help to the whole BOINC community.
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Thank you !
I will send your wishes and thanks !

By the way, do you know this website ? http://itrilium.dyndns.org/xtba/rac/rac_finder.php
Very useful to calculate your potential RAC !

Sure, your team is getting important. A couple of days before, I checked the stats of my team to see where I can help... And several times I saw CANADA in the top team 8)

@user312
Well, I'm using Linux which should be different with folding...and I am afraid of burning my graphic card in my laptop ^^ But may be I should give a shot

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(Should I talk in english or french :roll: )
Si tu as une carte graphique ATI 38xx ou 48xx tu peux calculer sur milkyway. Ca te donnera beaucoup de points.
Si tu as une geforce serie 8 et supérieur, tu peux faire du Seti et GPUGrid.

Si tu as besoin d'aide, n'hesite pas.


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I use Linux on and off, but haven't on this particular box so I can't say how well it would work with Folding. There are flags (command line switches) to limit CPU usage so I think you could use "-cpu xx" where xx would be the percentage of CPU to use (e.g. 75). Check the folding forums - I believe there's also a Wiki page for the supported flags. I'm now running stable at 85% CPU and temps steady just above 50 degrees Celcius so a little more tweaking in my future.

As far as posting in English or French - you'll see both, although mostly English (us Anglophones aren't generally as bilingual as our Francophone counterparts! See here - http://teamcanada.freeforums.org/je-parle-franais-comme-une-vache-espagnole-t110.html). I can read and understand most things posted in French and can even follow most French TV shows, but I tend to butcher the language when I try speaking or writing it! Last time I was in France whenever we'd speak to people I'd translate what they said for my wife and then she'd speak back to them. It must of been a little confusing for those talking to us as it was obvious I was the only one who understood them, but my wife was the only one speaking! Needless to say if you post in French I'll probably respond in English just to save you the pain of reading my Fench...

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Well I understood the GPU thing pretty quickly when I found out I don't have an ATI card :wink:

I tried GPU grid and it's kind of rough. I still prefer to crunch on both my CPUs.

I do have a question though: I see there's an optimized app on MW, I figured out I should install SSSE3 (with CPUZ), but I don't know where to copy/past the opt app. In my BOINC folder, I don't see any 'projects' folder with MilkyWay or any other projects I crunch.

Any idea where I can find these folders in my computer? My Boinc folder is in Progam Files, and then, nothing related to projects I crunch in it.

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I use Linux on and off, but haven't on this particular box so I can't say how well it would work with Folding. There are flags (command line switches) to limit CPU usage so I think you could use "-cpu xx" where xx would be the percentage of CPU to use (e.g. 75). Check the folding forums - I believe there's also a Wiki page for the supported flags. I'm now running stable at 85% CPU and temps steady just above 50 degrees Celcius so a little more tweaking in my future.

As far as posting in English or French - you'll see both, although mostly English (us Anglophones aren't generally as bilingual as our Francophone counterparts! See here - http://teamcanada.freeforums.org/je-parle-franais-comme-une-vache-espagnole-t110.html). I can read and understand most things posted in French and can even follow most French TV shows, but I tend to butcher the language when I try speaking or writing it! Last time I was in France whenever we'd speak to people I'd translate what they said for my wife and then she'd speak back to them. It must of been a little confusing for those talking to us as it was obvious I was the only one who understood them, but my wife was the only one speaking! Needless to say if you post in French I'll probably respond in English just to save you the pain of reading my Fench...


Thanks for the links !

Your story is very funny :haha: Where were you in France ?
And feel free to post in french ! I'm posting in english even though I'm french ^^
I use to speak french with non french people :)

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You need to paste the files in /project/milkyway...
Since the BOINC 6.X.X this folder is in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC if I remember
Don't forget to stop boinc before to modify the files.


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Yep, I have a GeForce, not quite sure which one, but I know it supports the GPU Grid application.

Many thanks for your help, I found my Projects folders. Turned out the 'Application data' folder was hidden and my computer wouldn't let me see it before. I'm just the administrator, after all, why would I see hidden folders....... :roll:

Now running the opt app for Milky Way, it's really faster! :shock:

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Oh yeah !! Really really faster ! Especially for SSE4.1 !
Why not crunching with your geforce on GPUGrid ?

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Well, it appears that crunching on my GPU counts just as if I was crunching on my CPU. I can crunch 2 tasks at a time since I have a dual CPU. I thought adding my GPU in the crunching process would let me do 3 task at a time (2 CPUs + 1 GPU). It doesn't work like this, obviously. My computer started to get slower too when I began to crunch on the GPU, I think I'll stick to the old crunching process using only CPUs :)
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But there's some good news: I asked where were the folders with the projects data and found it on my Win Xp computer, but now, I can't figure out where are the same folders in my Vista computers.......... Damn, I must admit I hate Vista. Maybe I'm just too dumb to find it!!! Oh, not to mention, I don't know where I can see if a folder is in hidden mode or not on Vista. Wow, I'm not used to it and I feel like I can't manage my own computer AT ALL with this OS.[/s]

EDIT: Omg, I found out... why would all my folders be automatically hidden anyway!!! It feels like a pain in the... to fight with my own computer just to manage it. Well, this is good experience for the future, let's see it this way!

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Now you can use 2CPU + GPU !
But if your GPU is too slow (Lower than 8800) we will have a slow desktop.

For vista, c://programDATA/BOINC...

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Oh, it appears that my GPU is Geforce 8600 GT (or GTS, not sure).

So I'd need to upgrade it if I would do well with GPU Grid without slowing down my computer. Too bad, but in July, I'm moving in with a friend and he has a PS3 I could use. I didn't ask him yet, but I'll try to make it crunch :twisted:

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Yeah I got a 8600GTS as well to crunch !!
It will give you like 1500pts/day.... but your computer will be quite slow. With a 8800 there is no prob.

For the PS3 you can also put ubuntu on it and crunch on Yoyo or PS3grid obviously !!

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Thanks for the links !

Your story is very funny :haha: Where were you in France ?
And feel free to post in french ! I'm posting in english even though I'm french ^^
I use to speak french with non french people :)


At least your written English is good - my French is virtually unreadable :oops2: so I'll spare you the effort of trying to make sense of it!

I've been all over France - I owned a campervan last time I was there so I got to see a lot of the countryside. I spent about 3 weeks travelling within France itself. I came in via Luxemburg and stayed for a few days in Versailles while visiting Paris. After that I think we just sauntered along to the Ile de Ré for a few days. We were also in Bordeaux for a day or so, and saw many of the chateaux in the Loire valley and somehow ended up in Biarritz before heading into Spain. After a few weeks in Spain and Andorra (good hiking there!) we ended up sticking to the South coast (with a side trip to Carcassonne just because we were close enough...talk about a "touristy" place...) and spent some time in Cannes, Monaco (nice car collection here!), Nice, etc before heading into Italy.

One of these days I'll have to see the North West and Eastern regions, but I think my next trip will be for a week or so in Paris as there was a lot left unseen last time I was there. It'll have to wait a few years, but I'll get back again...

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Wow, you have visited a lot of different places !!
Very nice places !!!

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Wow, you have visited a lot of different places !!
Very nice places !!!


Yeah, I love travelling and hate staying in the same place for too long. I rarely visit the same places twice as there is so much in the world to see that it doesn't make sense to revisit places over and over again (at least in my opinion). I've been to every country in Western Europe (including Greece!) except Portugal (guess where I plan on visiting next in Europe?) and several central European countries (Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Hungary). I've also travelled throughout Mexico, visited every US State (except for Alaska and Washington D.C. of all places - and, yeah, I know, it's a district and not a state, but it's still a place I wouldn't mind seeing....), and every Canadian province (haven't been to any Territories yet though...). One of these summers I'll take a long road trip and knock off the territories and Alaska just for fun.

Having seen all of that I'm still missing South America, Antarctica, Australia, Africa, the Middle East, Russia, and Asia. There's far more I haven't seen than I've seen. Not sure where to see next - I'll likely be heading to Hong Kong in a few years, so I may end up exploring Asia next. Only time will tell...

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Well HK is not that nice...In 1 day you can see every think in HK.
I have done several travel in Asia. I really appreciate Taiwan. But Beijing is very nice. Thailand as well but in the country side part !

You have already visited a lot of diffents places!!!
Very very nice !

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Wow it's a nice route map (if I may use that expression).

Which place did you prefer so far?

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Wow it's a nice route map (if I may use that expression).

Which place did you prefer so far?


Me ?
I really like Beijiing !! More than Shanghai or Hong Kong. It is a historical capital with a lot to visit, nice city, nice parks (Obviously there are Tian na men, and the great wall ^^)
Then beijing is a very nice city !! A lot to do.

But Taiwan... is a really, very nice island to visit !! The mountain, the sea, the chinese culture with the american developemnt and japanese as well. Nice mix !!
(In fact my dear is from Taiwan...then difficult to be objectif ^^)

But my best experience was in Beijing ! (May be because in taiwan, with a taiwainese it's too easy :wink: )


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I'm not particularly interested in Hong Kong itself, it's just I know that there's a conference I'll be attending there in 2012 (yeah, a ways away) so I'll be heading there anyway. Since I'm there I might take an extra week or so and explore the surrounding area a bit - not that there's a whole lot to see near there from what I've been told. If there's nothing of interest, a short plane ride can change that real quick!

All in all I'd prefer to travel through Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, the Phillipines, and Japan, but that'll have to wait at least 10 years (sigh...).


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For me, every place has it's own charm. I enjoy hiking and the outdoors so the Swiss alps and the Pyrenees were quite nice. We were more into smaller towns/cities than anything when we were there as all the big cities are more or less the same when it gets down to it - lots of people, McDonalds every couple of blocks, etc. The larger cities (e.g. Geneva, Paris, Prague, Munic, Vienna, Rome, Florence, etc) all had their own charm and highlights as long as you ignored the masses of people and McDonalds. One city I didn't enjoy at all was Athens - combine getting screwed by taxi drivers and trying to navigate their roads in a rental car (in several places the street names change literally every block) left a definite bad taste in my mouth. The rest of Greece was nice though - lots of small, laid back towns with friendly people. Lots of really old crap too (aka ruins) if you're into that. Next time I'm in Greece I'll simply get my rental car at the airport and bypass Athens entirely (seen it once, don't need to see it again...).

Each country has it's own little corner that I have fond memories of so it's difficult to pick a favourite. The trouble is the places I enjoyed I didn't neccessarily enjoy due to the location - it was a combination of the place, the weather, an activity, etc so its really difficult to judge. A few of my favourite places were San Sebastian, Spain; Tamariu, Spain; Cinque Terre, Italy; Ile de Ré, France; Enkhuizen, Netherlands; Venice, Italy - preferred Burano and Murano; Santorini, Greece; there are many others, but that's a nice sampler.

One country I was somewhat surprised to enjoy was Slovenia - but it was likely due more to the fact that the weather was so crappy North of the mountains that a brief sidetrip to sunshine was more than welcome. We also got adopted by a bunch of Dutch travellers there who threw us a surprise anniversary party while we were there - all in all a very cool experience! Combine that with a decent little "homestyle" restaurant (lots of goulash!) within short walking distance and everything dirt cheap (2 full meals, desert, a litre of wine and an extra bottle to take home cost less than $10) and you've got yourself a nice couple of days relaxation. We would have headed into Croatia and gone farther south, but at the time there was a bit of a skirmish between the serbs within Bosnia and Croatia so there were travel advisories out and we decided to play it safe. We'll explore this area some other time...

There really is far too much to see in the world...

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Well that's really interesting!

Myself, I still get everything to see. I've been all the way the western Canada starting in Québec (up to Vancouver), but that's all. I'm 23 now, so I know I've got some time left, still I like to think about it right now, always fun to dream a bit!

Of course, Europe should be my next trip, since it's easier to travel with the trains and everything, not to mention there's so much to see in a such relatively small area, it does a great package.

One funny thing is that I'm mostly interested after that in traveling to South America and to Australia, two of the continent you're yet to visit. But reading your stories about eastern Europe makes me think about planning a big trip over there too.

I do have a question, though: do you speak English all the way through or do you master some of the other languages there (except for French which you already told)? How did you work it out with the language?

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LePandaRoux wrote:
Well that's really interesting!

Myself, I still get everything to see. I've been all the way the western Canada starting in Québec (up to Vancouver), but that's all. I'm 23 now, so I know I've got some time left, still I like to think about it right now, always fun to dream a bit!

Of course, Europe should be my next trip, since it's easier to travel with the trains and everything, not to mention there's so much to see in a such relatively small area, it does a great package.

One funny thing is that I'm mostly interested after that in traveling to South America and to Australia, two of the continent you're yet to visit. But reading your stories about eastern Europe makes me think about planning a big trip over there too.

I do have a question, though: do you speak English all the way through or do you master some of the other languages there (except for French which you already told)? How did you work it out with the language?


Pretty much all of my North American travelling has been done by car (I have relatives on both coasts and in the US) and I've driven across the continent several times now. I've always wanted to go to Australia/New Zealand myself, but the cost and the lengthy plane ride seem to keep me away. There's a lot to see in South America as well, but the things I want to see are so widely spaced apart it'll take several trips to cover. Europe tends to be a fairly quick, inexpensive plane ride to a lot of cultual diversity in a small area. If I was you I'd probably start with Europe as you'll see a lot more things in a shorter amount of time than if you went to Australia or Sourth America. I'd also recommend going earlier in life rather than later - now that I've got young kids, my travelling has become somewhat limited as all areas should be "safe", with good medical care (if needed), and less than 6 hours of flying away (and, yes, 6 hours is pushing it with my kids!)

With language, luckily English is the "Universal" language so there was seldom an issue communicating. I always did my best to learn the basics of the language from phrase books so I could at least ask for basic things (washroom, different types of food, etc, and of course "please" and "thank you" - I am Canadian after all :) ) A fumbling effort with a smile can go a long way towards getting help. When in doubt figure pointing and hand gesturing can get you by when nothing else works (if you need a bathroom, grab your crotch, cross your legs, and hop up and down - they'll get the point!). If you're looking to brush up on a few languages Spanish (I heard somewhere it's the most widely spoken "first" language in the world - pretty much all Mexico through South America speak it or Portugeuse, not to mention Spain itself), French, and German are the bigger ones to grasp. If you know basic Latin (I took some in school) you're well on your way for basic Spanish, French, and Italian!. There were a few places where my attempts at communication weren't taken too well, but those were few and far between.

I think the worst experience I had was in Taragona, Spain at, of all places, the tourist information centre. When I went up to the desk I initially asked (in Spanish) if they spoke English to which they responded in Spanish that they didn't. I then proceeded to attempt to ask for directions in admittedly very broken Spanish - but the gist was there - at least they could have figured out the location I was looking for and helped me a bit by pointing to it on a map. Instead they proceeded to chew me out in Spanish regarding the fact I wasn't fluent in their language (I understand enough Spanish that I knew about 80% of what she was saying and it wasn't very nice...). When another person who was waiting in line offered to help translate, she began chewing them out for attempting to assist me and once again started blasting me for visting their country without being fluent in their language (a lot of people in line at this stage started badgering her to shut up and help me as it was holding up the line). So much for the tourist welcoming committee. After I finally got the information I needed, she addressed me in perfect English to scold me for not mastering their language prior to visiting to which I basically told her what I thought of her (I was pretty pissed off at this stage) and left. Keep in mind this was a very isolated incident and was likely due to her having a bad day and needing to take it out on someone (she was alone, the line up was out the door, and the AC wasn't working...).

The only other really bad language related incident happened in Paris. A bum outside of a postcard/stationary store (I think it was in Montmartre area) was begging for change in French. I said "sorry' in French and then added in English that I didn't have any change (which was true) to which he began swearing at me in English and told me to "get the $@%& out of his country" if I couldn't be bothered to speak French. He continued his verbal assault on me in English as I walked away from him to enjoy the rest of my day. Paris was also the place where I was just about mugged - would have served me right as I wandered away from the pretty lights down a dark alley at night, but what the hell - it was a short cut. Still, there's lots to see there and I'd recommend a visit.

The only other thing to note (as others will likely attest to) is that most European countries have a very different definition of "customer service" than they do in North America. One big area where you'll notice this is in restaurants - in North America it's all about fast turn around with quick (almost too) efficient service. In most European locals eating is a time to sit back and enjoy your meal, which, if you're in a hurry to get out and see a few more things, can be a little annoying if you're not expecting it. You just have to remember you're on vacation and relaxation is the name of the game. As a general rule, the farther south you go the more laid back things are - you gotta love the 2-4 hour Siestas in Spain where everything is closed and posted hours are considered as guidelines only and may be off by up to an hour depending on how hot the day is (at least in smaller towns - big cities tend to be a little better!).

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